fan mail

i recently received this bit of fan mail:

I am the girl from the NYTimes 'The Hunt' article a few weeks back. Just wanted to tell you that i saw your 'blog' or whatever you want to call it online and you are completely out of line to make judgments about me like that. You don't know me nor anything about me and should not make assumptions about people. BTW- I'm not just another 'young ijc' prancing around the city...I'm CUBAN you asshole and can kick your ass. Didn't your mother ever teach you not to judge a book by it's cover.
Sincerely,
Lauren Siegel

i have no clue whether this email is actually from the lauren siegel i wrote about, but regardless, i would like to take this opportunity to apologize to her. i certainly don't know ms. siegel but if this is really her, she sounds like a real sweetheart, don't you think?

also, i've said this many times before, but as a point of clarification, the term ijc is color blind. it can be applied regardless of race, religion, nationality or sexual orientation. though this often gets lost in the mix, one can be both cuban and ijc--the two are not mutually exclusive. ms. siegel, though cuban, clearly is not an ijc. though i would like to point out that technically she could be.

 

Comments

[Cuban?]

Ah, the long lost Siegel's from Cuba......still from the "island", just a further away "island"

[Durr]

if she's going to defend herself, she should defend all ijc's. wow, she is just so different.

[jc,justnoti]

You make me laugh. Way too many people take you way to serious, don't you think? Anyway, your comments on gender, success and looks, has Darwinian roots in its truth. Men look for good looking women because they have been wired that way. Symetrical features, good skin, nice body, etc. all send signals to the brain that the woman is healthy, has good genes and will more than likely produce healthy children. Women are wired to search out succesful men so that said healthy children are and can be provided for. New York singles just take this to the extreme.

[George Booth]

Res ipsa loquitor. Sigh.

[Politically Uncorrect]

Ah, yes. Siegel.... One would naturally assume that to be a Latin name. And one would naturally assume that a young lady of Miss Siegel's background to right out of Havana. (And that's before she opens her mouth.) Ah... Anyone think we'd make book on her actually being a Latina?

I didn't think so...

[nicetrylauren]

Confirmed. This girl is what us Floridians call a "Juban."

Deny, deny, deny is what the IJC does on a reflex-like basis when confronted. Are we suprised?

[White Dade]

Yo IJ -

I know I sent this to you a while back, but I wanted to reiterate this point: CUBAN GIRLS ARE THE SAME AS IJCS, JUST CATHOLIC. They may be even worse. I have lived in Miami for several years now, and the only difference is the accent. I had a whole list of quotes I put up after a particularly bad date with a Cuban girl, but I'll re-post them in your comments box since nobody else really seems to mind taking up massive amounts of space here:

“I love going out to dinner, to nice restaurants. Like, when I go out on a date, I expect to be taken somewhere really nice. That whole experience, I really love it. And I think it’s worth the money to do that.” Of course it’s worth the money, Katarina, because IT’S NOT YOURS!

“I know after I have kids I’m going to be one of those women who never loses the weight. I don’t even know if I want kids, because I like nice things and I don’t want to have to spend money on anybody else.” Well, good to see we have one thing in common

“Oooh. So you’re a trainer? What can I do to get rid of my belly? Oh, and my ass, I totally need to get my ass smaller.” How about eating at less of those fancy restaurants you do so love to have men take you to. That might be a good start.

“I like nice bars, you know? Where you can like sit, and order some nice drinks and not have to talk over everybody like in a dirty bar or a big club. Like I would never set foot in Barracudas or Moe’s or Sandbar or, eww, no, never The Tavern.” Really? Those are the ONLY places I go.

"My sister says I'm rude to waiters. Like, I'm totally not rude, but its like, take my order and go away. I'm short with you because I don't want to talk to you. Don't you get it?" If by "it" you mean "spit in my food," then yes.

“I know this might be a turnoff, but my goal in life is to marry a man who is going to take care of me and support me.” So I guess a Baby Blue ’02 Saturn must just scream “I’ll pay your bills.” Why are you out with me again?

“I really only like to date good looking guys. Like, I have to be totally physically attracted to you to go out with you. Does that sound shallow?” No, not at all. You’re lucky I don’t hold myself to the same standards, though.

“My ex-boyfriend was totally gorgeous. Like, perfect, he could have been a model. God he was hot, I was totally in love with him.” Hmm. My ex-girlfriend was a coke addicted stripper who used to hit me all the time. Shall we drop this subject now or wait until one of us starts crying?

I did not make one of those quotes up. Cuban girls suck just as bad, if not worse, that your typical New York IJC.

[dang]

Why are all of you people so angry?

[WEll]

"Nice Try Lauren" is angry because of a divorce with his wife, which you can't entirely blame him for. As for the rest, well, their dating lives are unhappy, so what should they do? Say it's the women's fault!

Normal people find a host of different things attractive, and try to best to find someone to fall in love with. Some of the guys on this site think they 'deserve' a hothothot girl, and then don't like it when a hothothot girl turns them down, or isn't up to their intellectual and personality standards as well.

But I really think letting go of all the anger is the first step in having a healthy relationship with ANYONE. Women are not attracted to women-hating men, and men are not attracted to women who hate men.

[nicetrylauren]

"WEll" I've never been married and grew up in South Florida. I think I'm a good authority on IJCs and Jubans. Suck it and keep reading into everyone's comments...incorrectly that is.

White Dade is hilarious.

..so the girl likes to take cabs everywhere and eats at fancy places and has some guy to pay for it all.. what's wrong with that? She's not killing anyone, she's not committing adultery and she's not stealing your car.
She's weeding out all the dullards and cheapos and looking for a suitable mate, one that doesn't watch the Super bowl all Sunday eat chips out of the bag licks his fingers like so as not to miss out any hydrogenated pig fats, eats(snorts) pizza in public on the subway, wears Birkenstocks and drives a Saturn..life is too short to be with guys who have no money...yuck.
Men like hot women with great bods in their twenties, and I can't blame them really, women should like men with money, that's it. period. All you IJC's out there, DO NOT APOLOGIZE, if you can get it , take it! Most of these guys realize they can't live up to your expectations and therefore have to put you down.
Their jobs, $$$, cars pale in your eyes and therefore have to take you down to pull themselves up. They realize you wouldn't cross the street to spit on their cheap ass shoes( I HATE GROWN MEN WHO WEAR RUNNING SHOES, unless u are a superstar athlete- wear real SHOES!!!!) Furthermore, we all know the size of a man's wallet is all the size that REALLY matters..
IJC women my newest role models if you can get it you should take it!!!

a poor little Greek girl..tee hee..love you girls...!!!!

[Agape]

The above commentator ("poor little Greek girl") will be treated just as the whore that she is. Never has there been a more despicable poster girl.

Her caricatures of "rich/fat-walleted" and "dullard/cheapo" men show how simple and dimwitted she is.

And her fixation on outward trappings reveal such a level of superficiality, that there will be nothing to keep men from leaving her once she loses her looks.

I think you don't get it AGAPE...IF I MARRY THE RICH GUY NOW WHILE I'M STILL DECENT LOOKING I WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT being 'left'..besides I'd rather be left rich than poor like all the other non superficial girls...
the 'trappings' , that's why we wake up at the crack of dawn and go to sleep at 10:00 for the trappings...or do you work for the nobility of it all... I know I don't take the subway with other losers so that I can not have ..the trappings...I'd love to live off the fat of the land and donate all my worldly posessions to orfans, but frankly I have no worldly posessions worth donating...
calling me a whore now that's just rude, I take offense to that.... I love money a lot more than I love sex with casual strangers.....

poor little Greek Girl

[White Dade]

My last girlfriend actually told me the minute she decided she liked me was when I slammed my Saturn keys down on the bar and said, "I do this to impress women." She actually LIKED the fact that I drove a reliable-yet-unimpressive vehicle.

And a guy who wears running shoes is more than likely in shape. And, Geek Girl, wouldn't you rather be fucking a guy who's in shape and not as rich than an out of shape guy who spends more time picking out his shoes than he does on his body?

a-it's Greek girl ..damn it..Greek, not geek...hmm or did you do that on purpose white dude?

I didn't realize that wearing running shoes implies you are athletic -I just thought it meant you were a cheap white dude who drives a Saturn....

Nope.Sorry.Still want the money..still love money more than sex..
sex lasts but a few minutes-money is forever like diamonds, porcelain veneers,expensive leather shoes, sexy white bikinis, shiny silver cigarette cases, 40$ lipsticks, fur baby doll jackets, expensive cigarettes, Cosabella thongs, 40 dollar burgers...are u impressed yet?..

poor little Greek Girl

[Agape]

Don't ya just wonder if this girl "speaks greek"...heh heh.....heh heh....

Expensive cigarettes to put her in an expensive casket? Maybe not an IJC after all...

And a dear friend of the "Love at the Windsor Court" couple at that. Oh my.

Perhaps the 'poor little Greek Girl' persona is a ruse? Could anybody be that distasteful?

[Danny Knish]

She merely said she was CUBAN!!! Not Catholic. Not Christian. I've dated Cuban Jews before. What we have here is a case of selective disclosure. She needs to kill herself.

[Anon]

One of my college roommates was a cuban jew and he was the jappiest person in the world - 90210 watching, spa-haircut-getting, prada-catalog-receiving jap. And as far as the asskicking, I'd take a fly over him in a 12 round bout. I'm not sure what being Cuban does to disqualify Alyssa from ijc material.

[Cuban shmuban]

If i bed this juban, after she gets off her raft in miami, i will do her anal while eating a cuban sandwhich.

[White Dade]

No, no, no. It's White Dade, as in the County full of Cubans in Florida. A better botching of my name, though, than the blogger who referred to me as "White Dad." I hate kids.

When you're old, you will look like shit in that expensive bikini. and even worse from eating $40 burgers (not nearly as good as the $6 dollar burger at Carls' Jr.) and smoking all those cigarettes.

I think Greek Girl is a fake, though. Or at least grossly exaggerating for the sake of a good comments box. And if you like money more than sex, you're proabably terrible in bed anyway. So why waste your time?

White Dade...I should be insulted by your comments...I'm not at all.I'm actually amused REALLY ...I don't look like shit now, come see me at Paradise Island this summer ( if you can afford it) and you let me know...eventually yes, I will look like shit, but that happens do everyone doesn't it?
Grossly exaggerated...hmmmm..you think?.
I am poor, not welfare poor but poor that I couldn't afford to stay more than two days in NYC without having worked a whole week.
Why shouldn't I enjoy all the good things in life, why should I settle for shoe burgers from Carl's come on W.D..gimme a break, if I can get it while I can, is there really something wrong with that?

Just to make you love me even more-Last summer I booked a ferry boat to get me to Mykonos island, standing room , and I was escorted to FIRST CLASS, velevet couches and everything. JUST LIKE THAT. NOOOOO sex was exchanged just good conversation and a FREE GREEK frappe, I LOVE STUPID MEN...
see W.D if ONLY they knew I still sleep on a single bed, and have DARTH VADER sheets..I really do, and many religious type icons, I'm Greek ya know..

I don't know if I'm terrible in bed, and neither do you..filakia

[Agape]

Ah.....Mykonos. Of course. Fake tourist Greece for a so-called Greek, who potentially likes it "Greek".

Ya know what some people call Greeks: "Jews without money".

Believe me, Poor Little Greek Girl, money won't change you.

Again I must respond, White Dade I think you mock me..'Like's it Greek' , is that supposed to be a sexual reference that should insult me, cause truly, I like it anyway that makes it fun for both people, don't you??

Fake tourist, I actually like the non-touristy places, but go to MYKONOS only because other people pay for it, otherwise there is no way I can afford it.. I pay for my own room and then EVERYTHING else gets paid by ..well, I don't have to draw you a pic do I?
Guys love to spend money especially when they think they can 'get ' you...Again don't go imagining anything trashy, I get to go to places I couldn't go to on my own dime..fancy restaurants, bars....I share the spoils of war with other girlfriends on the trip, I am NOT SELFISH...
Jews without money, THAT IS SO TRUE. VERY TRUE..Now you see why the IJC is MY HERO, I PRAY AT HER ALTAR..I wish to be her..

Finally, W.D.YOU ARE RIGHT. YES YOU ARE. MONEY WON'T CHANGE ME, it'll get me the finest table at the bouzoukia, drinks flowing at my table for all my friends, flowers falling from the skies, seriously, should I exhange this for burger's at McDonald's?

O.k my conscience is getting the better of me, in my defense I never scam the guys who work hard for their money( like me) only the ones who won't miss it, that much...

poor little Greek Girl

[O. Please]

Good. Better to have White Dade and the Greek Girl fighting now and me and the divorced doctor can stay out of it!!

But Greek Girl is superficial and a bore, and she will marry some rich guy who she actually has to be with every day for the next 60 years of her life, whether she loves him or not. That's a personal choice, and I'm glad she wants to do that, because she will leave the interesting guys to the women who deserve them.

I think the thing about slamming your Saturn or Hyundai keys down is hilarious and shows character, a good perspective, a bit of humility and a sense of humor. That's hott. And those are very rare, cute qualities.

If Greek Girl disagrees, so be it. There are guys (as she notes) who want a hot girl with no personality, and they deserve someone, too. So they can both get together. The rest of us just have to stop being bitter because she is hot and he is rich.

Guys SHOULD watch the Superbowl. It's American. Nothing wrong with eating during it, or eating pizza, or...

But who cares? Greek girl is different, and we are all different. There are people my age who party in the hamptons and wear thongs to work so the boss can see, and there are friends of mine who have never even been to the Hamptons. There are two worlds of single people, and the problem only arises when you get bitter and start blaming one for the others' actions. Guys, you are not all going to get Paris Hilton, but do you really want her?

If you want to date rich, date rich. You want to date a man for his car, do that. Just don't think everyone is like that, or it's what we all want.

This site is meant to create and foster such disputes. It doesn't represent hte normal people of the world. Remember that it's for entertainment. I even think maybe Greek Girl is a guy trying to stir up trouble. So be it.

[WHite Dade]

Agape was not me. When I rip someone, I do it with my name, email, URL, the whole 9. Though I do agree with him.

Darth Vader sheets. How endearing. I'm sure you are hot, Greek Girl, as most hot girls spend countless hours on the internet arguing with guys in Florida.